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Friday, August 2, 2013

RE BBC IMMIGRATION INTO GERMANY FROM SOUTHERN EU CONSERBERALS AND LIBERVATIVES

Maybe Germany can follow the UK, out of the EU.

This would be a really good issue to do it.

Back in the 80s 90s remember NAFTA, over here? Clinton, a free trade, and probably free immigration liberal, made the argument that if we agreed to boost trade with NAFTA, that would help stem the tide of illegal Mexican immigration.

Similar arguments no doubt are being made now re loans to the South EU: if we make the loans, maybe that will stem the tide of northward immigration......

I would have been with Kohl, back in the 80s, re the Turks, not for conservative reasons; rather for nationalistic ones. Kohl's hands were tied by his liberal international economic order too.

Conservatives love liberal trade, but hate liberal immigration.

Liberals love liberal trade and love liberal immigration.

Utopian socialists, and communists, if there are any left, are globalist laborites, arguing for example that only a globalist proletariat, not a nation state one, is ever justified, and that labor should not be exploited anywhere. Presumably workers should be able to move anywhere on the globe they most want to be, and where they are most wanted and needed by other workers. (Whereas trade unions tended to be nationalistic.)

Neither conservatives, liberals, nor socialists or communists, are really friends of a nation state concept regarding trade or immigration.

Call them perhaps conserberals, or libervatives.

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