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http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2011/08/re-earlier-post-mentioning-kindleberger.html

Sunday, August 28, 2011

RE EARLIER POST MENTIONING KINDLEBERGER AND VERNON HERE IS SNIPET FROM KOBRIN THE PARDONER'S TALE CHAUCER

Here is Kobrin:


'The dramatic expansion of the Multinational Enterprise (MNE) after 1960 produced a 
‘first wave’ of literature in the popular and academic press.  The opening lines of Raymond 
Vernon’s best known book capture its tenor well: ‘Suddenly, it seems, the sovereign states are 
feeling naked.  Concepts such as sovereignty and national economic strength appear curiously 
drained of meaning’ (Vernon 1971, p 3).
3'

'In a seminal series of lectures two years before the publication of  Sovereignty at Bay, 
Charles Kindleberger (1969, p 207) argued that the ‘nation-state is just about through as an 
economic unit.’ ' 


They had hoped, back then, for a 'united states of the world', (ANALOGOUS TO STEINGART'S UNITED STATES OF THE WEST, which however now excludes of course the pesky non West) 


based on expanding trade investment and political unification, 
and thereby the taming of the murderous nation state concept itself, that would make war obsolete. 


The nation state was the devil that needed to be exorcized. 


(Problem: the US itself is a nation state needing to be exorcised by virtuous Cobdenist multinational enterprise.)


Rather like the Pardoner's Tale, in Chaucer's Canterbury Tales, really.

The Drew Pearson Fallacy goes farther back than this unfortunately

"Now sadly, what Ms. Roberts said in 2000--that to many Americans, the reference to Dingell-Norwood sounded like a "guy from Washington doing Washington-speak"--probably had an element of truth.  But to me, then and now, that was something for journalists (and historians) to fight against, for the simple reason that a citizenry that no longer cares about the legislation Congress does or does not pass will yield the field to lobbyists and contributors who still do.  Yet Cokie Roberts was not only accepting, but welcoming, the new world of the 21st century in which journalism--especially tv journalism--began pandering to an uninformed public.  Indeed, the implication of what she said was that politicians would be foolish to try to do educate voters.  And I was amazed that someone with her background could take such a position--but there it was." DK

"Indeed, the implication of what she said was that politicians would be foolish to try to do educate voters." DK

What about what I have dubbed the Drew Pearson Fallacy implication: 

that journalists (not politicians, or academicians) would be foolish enough to try to educate voters?

But also, the political structural problems giving rise to this sad journalistic heritage has never been directly addressed politically here. It is written into the constitution....

(Lorch) Newspaper Editor's retort to assembled Scholars (read: Professor Kaiser): 

"Don't you know what the newspaper business is all about, you bloody fool...For the past ten minutes you've been trying to make me out as some kind of hideous ogre devoid of any shred of social consciousness.

"You act as though you think the job of a newspaper is to be an educational institution for the masses.

"Education is your job, not mine.

"I run a business. That business is to make money. My stock in trade is something called 'news'. It isn't really news all the time-- it's entertainment in the guise of news quite often.... I am not going to print educational stuff that'll put me in the poor house."  Terms search: Lorch

The pamphleteering heritage of colonial rebellion, the contagion of liberty, so to speak, never dies unless properly extinguished by other institutions.

HAMILTON FIRST REPORT ON THE PUBLIC CREDIT

http://www.schillerinstitute.org/economy/2015/hamilton-first_report_on_the_public_credit.pdf

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CONFRONTING THESE SO CALLED AMERICAN CONSERVATIVES

are a highly fragmented motley array of the dregs of the so called Enlightenment. 

What always passed for the Enlightenment over here.

I HESITATE TO PUT IT THIS WAY RE CRUZ SO CALLED CONSERVATISM

Americans do not know, really, what conservatism is.

Why?

Because they never ever had it here.

One explanation is that they never had anything much politically to conserve. 

They had repudiated the possible sources of conservatism at the founding, except perhaps for a radical Whig lower gentry ideal. I do not consider this enough conservatism, really, to matter, in the larger scheme of things. It was more or less mainly ignorant anarchic rural superstition. 

If you want to call that American conservatism, fine; that is more or less what it still is, and all it is, but with many right wing city dwellers now in a similar benighted state added to it.

ONE IRONY RE REPUBLICAN SUPREME COURT APPOINTMENTS

For a far right administration, the Court itself, though still well stocked with conservatives, will be very inconvenient.

They would probably try to curtail or eliminate it.

WHAT WAS THE LAND FLOWING WITH MILK AND HONEY EXODUS PASSOVER ETC

non coastal Palestine, or Egypt?

Take a guess....

Who Wrote The Bible, pb p 196, 82,
The Bible Unearthed, hb p 52.

As Rufus Fears recounted, an old observation I am sure, the Middle East (I would add: especially the wasteland of Palestine) is The Graveyard of Empires.

Why had Canaanites ended up in Egypt in the first place in great numbers? Necessity mingled with opportunity. The Bible Unearthed, hb p 52.

OBAMA'S PRESIDENCY LIKE SO MANY OTHERS

has been more or less a zero, like several presidents on the run up to the Civil War.

Endemic political structural drift. 

1 percent of Australia being sold to China

It is bigger than Ireland.

China has already bought enormous minerals in Australia.

Smell the coffee. Game over.

RE FASCISM NOT OUR PROBLEM

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2016/04/re-fascism-is-not-our-problem.html

Following up on the above post, what if the turn toward fascism here turns out to be a walkover of the liberal bipartisan establishment, without even a full development of a violent radical left?

After all, the right has been slamming the liberal, so called vital, center, very effectively, for decades now.

THE BIG BOYS ARE DISPLACING THE PROFESSIONS

Don't kid yourself about that.

FOR BLITT PRIMATES PARK AVENUE STAND YOUR GROUND

We show a scene from the side at the climax:

A nearby street sign says " Park " 

A sidewalk confrontation viewed from the street, side view.

A Queen Bee red bag lady has charged a nobody blue bag girl.

The Queen is standing threateningly over her whom she has just knocked down into the street from the sidewalk on her back.

The blue bag girl, on the ground, has pulled her piece, now holding with both hands, and is discharging it upward toward her assailant, point blank, while lying on her back in the street. 

(Maybe she misses! See Randall Collins' current post, micro sociology. Excerpt:
This explains another, as yet little recognized pattern: when violence actually happens, it is usually incompetent. Most of the times people fire a gun at a  human target, they miss; their shots go wide, they hit the wrong person, sometimes a bystander, sometimes friendly fire on their own side. This is a product of the situation, the confrontation.  We know this because the accuracy of soldiers and police on firing ranges is much higher than when firing at a human target. We can pin this down further; inhibition in live firing declines with greater distance; artillery troops are more reliable than infantry with small arms, so are fighter and bomber crews and navy crews; it is not the statistical chances of being killed or injured by the enemy that makes close-range fighters incompetent. At the other end of the spectrum, very close face-to-face confrontation makes firing even more inaccurate; shootings at a distance of less than 2 meters are extremely inaccurate.)

Their dogs are peeing on each other nearby.

RE WHAT HAS MICRO-SOCIOLOGY ACCOMPLISHED?

Re primates, bonobos, violence, etc.

See Collins' most recent post. Great stuff.

RE FASCISM IS NOT OUR PROBLEM

Some discussion re Weimar may be instructive...

Were a Republican elected, even with a Republican Congress, he would most likely face social disorder from extremists in and out of his own party on the Right, in the first instance, because they are much more violent, well armed, and organized in opposition to any federal government, whereas Democrats are less violent, not well armed, and not opposed to a federal government.

Similarly, the Social Democrats, the party in power in Weimar faced determined violent opposition in the first instance from German extremists on their left although they were a left leaning party. (If I say anything erroneous here, Professor Kaiser can perhaps set me straight with a post on his blog.)

As Kennan pointed out in 'The Rise Of Hitler', in Russia and The West Under Lenin And Stalin, this German extremist left group was supported heavily by the Soviet Communists after 1928, and stayed that way until WWII really began, even though the rise of fascism should have been something to cause Stalin, of all people, great alarm.

RE THE BIG SHORT Thurston POSTPOSTSCRIPT

"HUD is a federal agency led by Julián Castro that is supposed to “create strong, sustainable, inclusive communities and quality affordable homes for all.” HUD’s “Distressed Asset Stabilization Program” (DASP) is supposed to help homeowners stay in their homes. Instead, under Julián Castro’s leadership, this program has been a huge giveaway to Wall Street.

"In 2015, 98% of the homes sold under this program went to Wall Street (15,309 out of 15,624). These homes were also sold to Wall Street at steep discounts, averaging 45% off for some of the biggest banks in Wall Street. What’s worse, a majority of the loans went to The Blackstone Group, a huge private equity company notorious for its foreclosures. Blackstone tenants have dealt with roach infestations, harassment, and even attempts at illegal evictions."

RE FASCISM IS NOT OUR PROBLEM

If as DK says the US suffers from some of the same problems as the Weimar Republic, even though he convincingly contrasts our situation with that one in terms of widespread street violence of right and left, why then is not Fascism, after all, also our problem, if not now, then real soon?

FOR BLITT HOW ABOUT CRUZ AND TRUMP IN A BOXING RING FINAL CAMPAIGN ROUNDS

Trump, as a fagged Macaire, in a smoker, is almost on his back in his corner, half facing viewer, Cruz is a Daumier midget and still a frisky bantam, in mid ring, half turned away.

OR SAY CHRISTIE AND TRUMP

FOR BLITT

How about Christie as Daumier's Zephyr?

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She got in in SK.
Get ready. Walking distance.
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RE SPENDING BILL PENSION CUTS OUTRAGE

Remember what Thurston had asked in Boca:

Who do you think they will bail out, you or me?

RE US CONSTITUTIONAL SYSTEM DEFINITION

What really was it?

Small to medium size landowner or other property owner, antiestablishment, undemocratic, civil libertarian, localism.

RE ROBERT REICH UNSEATING SITTING REPUBLICAN SENATORS TURNSTILE DEMOCRACY

Whom does he want elected? Democrats, who, under similar circumstances, would do, and have in the past done, against Republicans, the same.

FDR'S court packing plan showed a little initiative, but would ultimately have merely resulted in more lifetime justices, gotten the same old way.

RE RE OLD STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS WITH THE US POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEM

Some other remarks:

Having rejected the old European order, the colonists had little to fall back on, or build on, culturally, politically, or socially. Later European immigration in the later 18th and throughout the 19th Century further fragmented this original situation.

Having abandoned establishments of religion, and then been forced, by division, into a separation of church and state, they had not that deep aspect of Western civilization to refer to even.

So what was left of Western civilization at the founding?  Not much.

RE OLD STRUCTURAL PROBLEMS WITH THE US POLITICAL AND SOCIAL SYSTEM

"Morgan's book shows what the lives of our new educated, moneyed elite are like, and it's far from clear to me that they are doing anyone much good--including, amazingly enough, themselves." DK

Several kinds of things occur to me, re a new moneyed elite doing anyone any good. 

Our system was based mainly on a British rural lower gentry ideal, a country ideal. It mimicked the rural lower gentry in England. 

The large coastal towns had large merchants, not looked upon favorably by other powerful rural or other town interests, as well as a few artisans and craftsmen and shop owners. Some light industry. Not much. 

A lot of religious and political unrest at all times.

Of course colonial Americans rejected both aristocracy, established church, and Crown.

They were left with little social, religious, or political hierarchy, really, after a certain point, and thus little social or political structure. 

Of course they had state, local, and federal representatives, which had started out composed of the best people, as the saying went. They had a property ownership requirement to vote. They didn't trust democracy, even, really. And why should they?

Barbara Tuchman said that the gentry, and the town brahmins, originally intended under the Constitution to govern, had already abandoned direct personal involvement in government as politicians by 1830, around the time of the accession of Jackson. 

SPEAKING OF BONOBOS

I know what happened to the book.

You know who you are....

RE KENNAN QUIGLEY STALIN HITLER

One really needs to read these closely, together, to get a more rounded view of how things tragically unfolded in the 20th Century.

In Russia And The West Under Lenin And Stalin, the role of the Western democracies in the rise of Hitler, while not omitted, is so glancingly dealt with that it requires Quigley's account in The Anglo-American Establishment, etc., to make more sense from all sides.

There was too great a tendency to blame Germany both for WWI and then even more for WWII, when the responsibility for this long development really lay elsewhere to a great extent. Kennan points out this glaring fact, but hardly elaborates on it, at least in this work. 

See his chapter 'The Rise Of Hitler', where he mainly discusses Stalin's machinations. 

This is just one of the areas where one needs to read Quigley's account to get more of the whole picture.

The tendency to blame Hitler, to call it Hitler's War was not limited to the uninformed; but even so well informed scholars as Michael Howard broadcast this image of the recent past, a situation so much the responsibility of just those leaders in the Milner Group from which post WWII intellectuals such as Sir Michael emerged. They needed to place the blame elsewhere than on themselves, where much of it rightfully lay.

FDR of course hated Germany, shared, along with Churchill, according to Kennan the view that Hitler was a replay of WWI Junker assertiveness, and thought he could make Stalin his friend. This was a horrific combination of FDR ideas.

Quigley, also, unfortunately,  it seems shared FDR's and Churchill's view of post WWI Germany as still a dangerous aggressor actuated by the same upper echelon forces that had run the WWI German war machine, and also a bunch of lower class bad Germans, too. See The A-A E, pb, p 233, 234.

Only Kennan seems to have seen the deep distinction between Hitler's Nazi Party, as a lower middle class movement, and the German aristocracy that was in power in WWI.

The deep distrust between England and France was downplayed since the conflict, but certainly Britain was perfectly willing to play off against each other any continental powers necessary. 

At this time, Britain viewed France (its hereditary enemy and rival) as peopled by almost as many bad Frenchmen as there were bad Germans in Germany, but no one remembers that. 

LIBERALISM LEFT RIGHT CENTER SYMPTOMS ALL THE SAME DISEASE

Political fragmentation.

RE DE WAAL CHIMPANZEE POLITICS BLITT NEEDED

Terms search: bonobos

Once again, I need Blitt for these topics the worst possible way.

TODAY'S GLOBALIST ENTREPRENEUR PARADIGM

Najim Laachraoui

RE FDR EISENHOWER PATTON MONTGOMERY SOVIETS

Patton, and perhaps Montgomery, wanted to play something like chess, both against their German field commander counterparts, and then wishfully against the Soviet ones.

Eisenhower was not even playing checkers. 

He was playing something more like dominoes.

WHY NOT QUOTE A KENNAN PASSAGE ON CHURCHILL AND ROOSEVELT

Think of it as a 'companion piece' with DK's post of Kennan on Eisenhower.... 

Eisenhower, after all, was a glorified puppet.

"Roosevelt and Churchill did not like the German resistance movement.  They did not understand it.  One is depressed to observe , in their respective wartime statements, the extent to which they both carried into the second World War all the prejudices of the first: how little they recognized the true lower-middle-class basis of the Nazi movement; how sure they both were that it was still the Prussian Junkers they were fighting -- and how seriously they misjudged this conservative class itself; how little they realized what resources of courage and idealism the sons and daughters of just these people, scourged by the consciousness of Hitler's degradation of their country, would succeed in producing out of their bewildered midst." Russia And The West, p. 367, 368.

WHAT DID PAUL REALIZE?

Wealthy gentiles were a lot more numerous than wealthy Jews.

PAUL REALIZED SOMETHING OTHER RADICAL JEWS DID NOT

Guess what it was?

THE EU

Has been just a very slow prod to the Asianization of all of Eurasia. 

A slow death of Western Civilization really. Not a consolidation and reassertion.

JOHN JESUS

Jesus was a wonder worker, John not.

Jesus taught in synagogues, John not.

Still, their ministries, or whatever they were, insurrections, insurgencies, out of power priestly and or Davidic Messianic royal uprisings, somehow ended up consolidated, under Jesus, after John's murder.

It seems that Jesus had a ministry down into Judea, at least according to John, perhaps even a synagogue, and Sanders gives this idea some credence.

That would explain the continuing presence of James, a Galilean, for decades, and other disciples, around Jerusalem, after Jesus' execution. 

They later summarily rejected Paul's call to accept gentiles. 

Who could blame them, back then?  

After all, it had not been any part of Jesus' message at all.

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JAMES THE JUST IN JERUSALEM

Jesus' older brother...killed, along with some others, by the Jerusalem high priest, in 62 CE, in the temporary absence of the Roman Procurator...this is one of those relatively few well known facts.

This is another important topic...regarding Jesus' ministry and its extent duration and nature.

Especially important also for discussions of Paul and the mission to the gentiles.

EUROZONE SO CALLED ECONOMY DEFLATION

Dead cat, no bounce.

CHRISTIE KASICH

Macaire Bertrand

THE VEXED QUESTION RELATIONSHIP BETWEEN JESUS AND JOHN THE BAPTIST

It seems likely that Jesus was a follower, then rival, then successor.

Nothing is certain.

There is a tradition that John was descended from Aaronid priests on both sides of his family.  That seems strange, given his ministry, but not impossible.

There must have been plenty of out of power priests in Palestine, and especially in the North, but the Aaronids were definitely in power both there and in Jerusalem.

Sanders points out that the Jewish aristocracy in Sepphoris very near Capernaum were solidly for Rome and against their own Jewish peasantry if it came to a revolt of the latter.

Antipas' one big faux pas was one incidentally involving the Baptist, re his taking his brother's wife Herodias as his own.

There are many important implications regarding Jesus flowing from this brief account in the gospels, and in Josephus.

DAUMIER TRUMP MACAIRE SANDERS BERTRAND

THANKS ED BOYLE FOR REFERRING THIS

http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/depressing-survey-results-show-how-extremely-stupid-america-has-become

HISTORY OF ROME ORIGINS OF MEDIEVAL SERFDOM AND THINGS TO COME

'As the economy tries to heal......'

See Michael Grant, History Of Rome, hb. p. 444

These first so called serfs were desperate late West Roman Empire plebeian citizens, not slaves of which there were of course plenty everywhere as well, small farmers and those driven out of the cities, by dire circumstances, in search of food. 

They ended up tied hereditarily to the latifundia, later sealed by a deal cut between the Christian Roman Emperor of the West and the landed magnates.

When it hits the fan in the modern world, city dwellers and the rural poor are hardly in a position to even go into serfdom.

Think, for example, about how the US handled merely Katrina, which its own long standing negligence had allowed to happen in the first place.  

Think about it. Because Americans have always clung to their flawed principles, they have always had the government they deserve, and will continue to deserve.

NYT AS THE ECONOMY TRIES TO HEAL

Americans have been fed this Drew Pearson Fallacy bull for many decades now, since 1950 really.

They continue selling them the bull which they have trained them to like to hear.... think about that for a moment.

Terms search: smell the coffee, game over.

RE BARRY BLITT

In my judgment, he really needs to do a fat man cartoon with Christie, a la Chris Farley. 

It is de rigueur.

After all, he had Trump belly flop into a pool, and Trump is not that plump. He is not a plump Trump!

NEXT WE ARE GOING TO TALK ABOUT JOHN THE BAPTIST JOSEPHUS AND GOSPELS

Sanders' account... He was killed because Antipas had been affronted by John, and because John posed a threat of insurrection. 

Josephus routinely deletes Jewish redemption and insurrection references, according to Sanders, so as not to annoy Rome... so we only see the tip of the iceberg in Josephus, really.

re PASSOVER UNLEAVENED BREAD AND JESUS

Sanders' account recounts synoptic gospel accounts. They say he went to Jerusalem only once, ever.

Only John says Jesus showed up more than once in Jerusalem for Passover. Then only two or three times.

Yet Sanders' Jesus' Last Week chapter tells about how all male Jews were supposed to go to Jerusalem every year of their lives.

So, I would say that Jesus had been to Jerusalem annually for perhaps at least half of his 34 years.

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CLASSIC POSTS

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2011/04/re-truth-still-inconvenient-krugman-nyt.html

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2011/04/re-president-is-missing-nyt-krugman.html

SEE PRIOR POSTS TRUMP CHRISTIE CRUZ CARTOON WITCH

Crucible now again on Broadway. Current history.

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