Third World backwardness and poverty were not at all caused by the West, as one merely reading something like Marx, or today, something like Piketty, might conclude. Western exploration took a huge toll on the New World, but that was an unintended, and very unfortunate, consequence. They wanted gold and silver for European trade, not to trade with the natives. One has to distinguish between 'the proletariat' and savages..........
He, Keynes, wasn't even thinking of the third world much in something like The Economic Consequences of the Peace.
He was thinking of the industrialized West.
The West did not get to its dominant industrial position by agricultural and mineral extraction trade with, and domination of, the third world, but rather by industrial and commercial trade within the West.
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Friday, December 14, 2018
THIRD WORLD AGRICULTURE BAIROCH
The Economic Development of the Third World since 1900
He makes some important observations I never thought about.
Why has third world agriculture, not even to get into third world industrial development, been so problematic?
Some problems have to do with vegetarianism itself, normally associated with religious systems, and its tendency to keep people at or near a subsistence level for various reasons versus animal husbandry and its associated advantages.
Many people nowadays will try to tell you that vegetarianism is good for you and good for the planet, and there are elements of truth to that, but they miss Bairoch's arguments completely.
Additionally and catastrophically, he criticized very early what was then called the green revolution, already seeing where it was heading.
It later has turned into a horrific monster with Monsanto and corporate control of vastly reduced numbers of strains of crops, and built in pesticides, re genetically modified products.
It has been a truly horrific development, originally started by Western market capitalism and its philanthropy to feed a hungry enormous and bloated world population, so to speak, Arthur Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Dow, Etc.
Now it's even Microsoft, Bill Gates, Mr thousand dollar third world toilet, advertising AI to feed a hungry world with high tech.....
See Bairoch's Chapter on Agriculture.
He makes some important observations I never thought about.
Why has third world agriculture, not even to get into third world industrial development, been so problematic?
Some problems have to do with vegetarianism itself, normally associated with religious systems, and its tendency to keep people at or near a subsistence level for various reasons versus animal husbandry and its associated advantages.
Many people nowadays will try to tell you that vegetarianism is good for you and good for the planet, and there are elements of truth to that, but they miss Bairoch's arguments completely.
Additionally and catastrophically, he criticized very early what was then called the green revolution, already seeing where it was heading.
It later has turned into a horrific monster with Monsanto and corporate control of vastly reduced numbers of strains of crops, and built in pesticides, re genetically modified products.
It has been a truly horrific development, originally started by Western market capitalism and its philanthropy to feed a hungry enormous and bloated world population, so to speak, Arthur Daniels Midland, Monsanto, Dow, Etc.
Now it's even Microsoft, Bill Gates, Mr thousand dollar third world toilet, advertising AI to feed a hungry world with high tech.....
See Bairoch's Chapter on Agriculture.
Monday, July 22, 2019
WESTERN INDUSTRIALIZATION WAS NOT BASED ON THIRD WORLD EXPLOITATION
Oppression and enslavement of third world folks was Kismet, and a happy coincidence. Icing on the cake of Western industrial development, so to speak.
That exploitation was purely incidental.
You will never convince any low level person of any color of that today. They all think they made the West what it was, and now should be paid reparations for their subordination, and for the theft of what they contributed to Western domination of them.
The people of color believe that they themselves, alone, made Western domination of them possible in the first place.
Paul Bairoch referred here to colonialism and to the exploitation of the third world in the 19th and early 20th century.
He argued that this exploitation was not indispensable for industrialisation.
This he thought is "good news" for the third world because it means that development could occur without exploitation of other regions.
"L'occident n'a pas besoin du tiers monde, ce qui est une mauvaise nouvelle pour le tiers monde." ("The West doesn't need the third world, which is bad news for the third world.") – Paul Bairoch, Le tiers monde dans l'impasse (1992)
Bairoch, Wikipedia
Bairoch, Wikipedia
Tuesday, October 15, 2019
THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET SEE EG PAUL BAIROCH
Monday, January 2, 2017
THE DIRTY LITTLE SECRET REGARDING COLONIALISM IS THAT IT WORKED
You don't develop these pups.
You exploit their natural resources for you not them, and otherwise leave them where you found them, in a state of nature.
You don't have to sell them, or trade them, industrial products; certainly never teach them to make them themselves for sale.
Most of that trade, contrary to theories of industrial development being tied to colonial development, especially in the industrial revolution, was intra European and North America trade, not driven by colonial trade. Raw materials inputs weren't the big cost factor. Most of the biggest raw materials inputs for the industrial revolution came from within Europe anyway. Cotton was an exception.
Saturday, December 15, 2018
COMPARATIVE ADVANTAGE
You used to hear a lot about this idea, even halfway into the 20th Century.
It was an economist's panacea for a virtuous specialized world trade market, leading, by natural self correcting equilibrating forces, to prosperity for all everywhere eventually.
It was an economist's panacea for a virtuous specialized world trade market, leading, by natural self correcting equilibrating forces, to prosperity for all everywhere eventually.
It didn't turn out that way at all.
Reading Bairoch's book, one sees unfold the disaster it became for the under developed world.
Not that I am a fan of third world development in the first place. In fact the opposite.
But were I trying to promote it, comparative advantage would of course with hindsight be the last place for one to look for organizing principles for third world development.
See Comparative advantage, Wikipedia
This post is dedicated to Thomas Piketty.
See Comparative advantage, Wikipedia
This post is dedicated to Thomas Piketty.
Sunday, July 26, 2015
RE POWER AND PLENTY INDUSTRIALIZATION PER CAPITA TABLE 6.3
So many implications emanate from this table for my topics on this blog. Even if, as they say, Bairoch's numbers were based on slender evidence, as they acknowledge, it says more about the trends over that crucial period.
Friday, December 14, 2018
RE THIRD WORLD ISSUES IN GENERAL THE AGENDA
Why am I talking about such crazy things as outdated economic historians talking about problems of third world agriculture?
The reason is to begin to burst the bursting bubble presumption that it was merely Western Imperialism that held the Rest back singlehandedly, apart from other causes besides merely Western imperialism.
This is a theme Bairoch touches on in some works, and we will bring those passages forward, to show that it was not merely the overbearing Western white man who dominated the colored man of the Rest, but also the backwardness of the colored man and his civilization itself which had made such domination possible in the first place, and its causes in the culture and history of the colored races and civilizations themselves rather than in the West itself.
Thursday, December 6, 2018
SEETHING MASSES IN THE REST BLAME THE WHITE WEST FOR THEIR POVERTY
Technically, this is a fallacy, call it The Western Imperialist
Fallacy, but ask yourself whether any of them, people of any color, even white, would believe it, even if they could understand it......See eg, Paul Bairoch
"...(because our security problems do not arise from a competition among the great powers, but rather out of the seething underclass, domestically and in the Third World, that has been seduced by the cult of consumption at a time when the future dictated by its demographics moves this class ever farther from realizing its fantasies)..." The Shield of Achilles, p. 258.
Maybe, if the White West had not so dominated the Rest, the overwhelming majority of them might now have three bowls of rice a day, instead of two, and now live in a somewhat larger thatched roof dirt floor hut.
Convergolescence is closing in on billions.
Re Bobbitt's passage, I would just note in passing that it is not merely demographics, or even that and the cult of consumption together, that is moving this so called class farther from reaching its fantasies. It is also other processes, some working for centuries now, others only very recently, as well.
Maybe, if the White West had not so dominated the Rest, the overwhelming majority of them might now have three bowls of rice a day, instead of two, and now live in a somewhat larger thatched roof dirt floor hut.
Convergolescence is closing in on billions.
Re Bobbitt's passage, I would just note in passing that it is not merely demographics, or even that and the cult of consumption together, that is moving this so called class farther from reaching its fantasies. It is also other processes, some working for centuries now, others only very recently, as well.
Sunday, June 23, 2019
CHINA KONG TAIWAN WILL BLAME YOU BABY WHITE MALE WEST IMPERIAL COLONIAL RUNNING DOGS
OF COMMUNISM CAPITALISM AND CHRISTIANITY, TAKE YOUR PICK:
They will say you have wrecked their whole fucking civilization!
That is what they will say.
Vicious from the day they were born.
They will say that your Western Civilization was built solely on the backs of people of color.
Yet their subjugation was a mere consequence, not the cause, of western domination of them.
The cause of Western domination of the Rest was an incidental result of intra Western development and rivalries.
If you cite Paul Bairoch, it would not be believed.
Piketty does not want to hear about it.
It runs counter to his theme. Rodrik: Dittohead.
PATRIOTIC LIBERTARIANISM GLOBALIST UNIVERSALISM BROTHERS UNDER THE SKIN WITH REPUBLICAN POPULIST DEMOCRACY FROM 1776
They will say you have wrecked their whole fucking civilization!
That is what they will say.
Vicious from the day they were born.
They will say that your Western Civilization was built solely on the backs of people of color.
Yet their subjugation was a mere consequence, not the cause, of western domination of them.
The cause of Western domination of the Rest was an incidental result of intra Western development and rivalries.
If you cite Paul Bairoch, it would not be believed.
Piketty does not want to hear about it.
It runs counter to his theme. Rodrik: Dittohead.
Sunday, May 12, 2019
BAIROCH SAW UNDER DEVELOPMENT AS A PROBLEM I SEE IT AS A WESTERN ADVANTAGE SQUANDERED
By Liberal Economists' Western Wastrel Developmental Capitalism.
The Economic Development of the Third World Since 1900, "Ch 11. General Conclusions".
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The Economic Development of the Third World Since 1900, "Ch 11. General Conclusions".
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