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FURTHER RE SELF DETERMINATION CIVIL WAR VERSUS SECESSION VERSUS REBELLION WILSON THEMES AGAIN

"....Next. As it declared independence and decided to hold a referendum, the Supreme Council of Crimea referred to the United Nations Charter, which speaks of the right of nations to self-determination. Incidentally, I would like to remind you that when Ukraine seceded from the USSR it did exactly the same thing, almost word for word. Ukraine used this right, yet the residents of Crimea are denied it.  Why is that?...."

P. Putin, to the Federation, March 21, 2014

the menu

Fetzer California wines especially good now. 

Comparable to best Bordeaux vintages, but fruitier, and 5 dollars a bottle. 

You might mix, sacrilege, their Merlot and Cabernet Sauvignon, to approximate a Bordeaux blend.......

DK'S CURRENT POST BRAVO

"In February 1946, George F. Kennan, then the Chargé d’affaires at the American Embassy in Moscow, wrote what became known as the Long Telegram in an effort to awaken his superiors in Washington to new realities.  No one could have spoken with more authority than Kennan: he spoke Russian fluently and was highly familiar with its literature and history, and he had been serving in the Moscow Embassy for several years.  The telegram, which may be read here, stated his case simply and clearly. The wartime alliance against Hitler was over, Kennan wrote, and the Soviet Union's hopes for the new world had little or nothing in common with those of the United States.  The Communist leadership deeply believed in the historical  necessity of a worldwide struggle against capitalism and would do nothing that did not, in its view, further that cause.  Yet Kennan was not without hope, because he did not believe that the Soviets saw the struggle as a military one, or that they had the slightest wish to resume a world war.  Eighteen months later he published some of the same insights in his famous X article, "The Sources of Soviet Conduct."  By then he was the chairman of the State Department's Policy Planning Council. By a stroke of extraordinary good fortune, his boss, Secretary of State George Marshall--one of the half-dozen greatest unelected public servants the United States has ever produced--was a man who had risen to the command of the American Army by identifying the ablest available subordinates and following their advice.  He believed the Policy Planning Council should plan policy, and during the next two years, Kennan laid the foundation for the strategy of the Cold War.

I cannot pretend to expertise comparable to Kennan's.  I have made only one brief visit to Russia, 42 years ago, and I have never studied the language, although The First Circle and Dr. Zhivago are among the books I return to again and again in translation.  Yet I would like to think that I learned diplomatic realism from him, among many other sources, and that I can put it to use in examining the new situation that has been created by President Putin's annexation of Ukraine.  Kennan has become increasingly unfashionable in recent years, and the publication of his diaries, which are a very poor substitute for his extraordinary memoirs, isn't helping his reputation either.  But never in my whole life have I felt so acutely the complete absence of anyone like him in the highest councils of our government--and thus, I am going to yield to temptation and try to suggest what a young Kennan, were he posted in Moscow today, might say.

The Chargé d’affaires to the Secretary of State
March 21, 2014

The current situation in Russia, the Ukraine, and surrounding nations inevitably calls to mind the immediate aftermath of the last great crisis in the Atlantic world in 1933-45, when the defeat of Hitler and the Japanese was immediately followed by the Soviet installation of Communist regimes in various countries of Eastern Europe.  It also recalls developments in the wake of the First World War, when Russia was briefly reduced almost to its current extent within Europe, facing a newly independent Ukraine and Baltic States, while retaining control of Belarus.  That previous example is, in fact, more relevant.  The problem Lenin and Trotsky faced at the time of the German collapse was to recover the territory they had lost early in 1918 in the Peace of Brest Litovsk, and they successfully reincorporated Ukraine into the new Soviet Union, but failed in a war against Poland and had to tolerate the independence of the Baltic states for twenty years, until the Nazi-Soviet Pact with Hitler.  The current crisis began, of course, with the collapse of Communism in 1989-90, followed by the complete disintegration of the Soviet Union.  Vladimir Putin did not come to power in Russia until 1999, and he has obviously moved much more slowly than Lenin in 1919 or Stalin in 1920 to begin increasing the extent of his territorial control and influence.  The nature of his goals has become clearer in recent years, and his speech last Monday in Moscow, which I encourage all serious students of Russian policy to read, leaves relatively little doubt of how he sees the world and where he may be heading.  Our first, and perhaps easiest, task, is to understand what he had to say.

The collapse of Communism and the break-up of the Soviet Union were indeed world-historical events comparable in impact to each of the two world wars.  We must be extraordinarily thankful that they were accomplished with relatively little serious bloodshed, a most remarkable outcome, but no one should have expected the emergence of a new order to be a smooth process.  Indeed, President Bush and Secretary of State Baker plainly had mixed feelings, to put it mildly, about the disintegration of the USSR, and the kinds of regimes that have emerged in many of the successor states have not been inspiring.  In his speech, Putin regretted the disintegration of the Soviet Union, but he did not dwell upon it, much less lay the blame on foreign influences, as he so often likes to do when discussing unpleasant subjects.  What he objected to was, first, the way in which the boundaries of Soviet Republics automatically became the borders of newly independent states, and, second, the ways in which, as he sees it, the western powers have taken advantage of the situation over the last 25 years or so.  There is not the slightest evidence that Putin wants to embark on a worldwide crusade comparable to those of Lenin and Stalin, and it is highly doubtful, to say the least, that he has any designs even upon eastern European nations such as Poland and Rumania.  But he is not willing to accept the situation within the former Soviet Union as it has evolved to date, and the events of the last month show that he has powerful cards to play.

It was to be expected that the collapse of Communist authority over Eastern Europe would lead to turmoil, and even to the redrawing of borders, as indeed it has.  The process was not confined to the former USSR.  Czechoslovakia immediately separated into its two component parts, ironically vindicating those who in the 1930s pronounced it an artificial creation that was not destined to survive.  Yugoslavia, which Serbia had managed to create in 1919 by virtue of having played the key role in unleashing the First World War that destroyed Austria-Hungary, came apart much more bloodily, and it took the better part of a decade to establish new frontiers for Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia and Bosnia--the last still a very fragile construction.   The first Bush Administration declined to intervene in the war among the successor states, but the Clinton Administration took a different view.  It brought what seemed to be the last phase of the struggle to an end with the agreement on Bosnia in 1995.  Then, in 1999, the rump state of Yugoslavia apparently embarked upon a campaign to cleanse Kosovo of ethnic Albanians, and the government of the United States, supported by NATO--but not by the UN Security Council--went to war with it to stop this process.  The war, conducted entirely from the air, succeeded, and Yugoslav (really Serbian) authorities gave up Kosovo.  Kosovar independence followed, and the United States and other NATO countries recognized it.  In the succeeding 15 years, most of the Serb population has been driven out of Kosovo, although peaceably, not violently.

It was the Kosovo war, Putin makes very clear, that established the precedent that he is determined to fight.  Confronted with a conflict generated by the collapse of Communism, NATO, as he sees it, unilaterally took responsibility for determining the proper outcome without the endorsement of the UN Security Council, where both Russia and China would have refused assent.  And in so doing, NATO only extended the approach it had already taken to the aftermath of the collapse of Communism: its belief that the extension of western influence and western values must be the inevitable result.

It is at this point in the story, it seems to me, that our own government must for a moment reflect upon the wisdom of the choices made by previous administrations.   There were those of us who believed that NATO, having functioned successfully for more than 40 years as a defensive alliance against Communism, had lost much of its raison d'etre when Communism collapsed, and that its role in a new world might be re-evaluated.  The government of the United States, however, did not take this road.  Instead, NATO became a mechanism for expanding western and American influence as far eastward as possible, and all the former Soviet satellite states of the Cold War era, as well as the former Soviet Republics of Latvia, Lithuania, and Estonia, are now members.  The second Bush Administration, indeed, was on the point of offering Ukraine membership in 2008, but the current Administration--wisely in my view--did not pursue this initiative.

The US government made these decisions, it seems to me, in the belief that the Russian government's views did not matter.  They also made them in the belief--encouraged by our triumph over our Cold War adversary--that American institutions and American values were destined to triumph over the entire world.  That view, specifically enunciated in the National Security Strategy of 2002, still seems to remain the basis of our policy. As one who has never held it--who has instead believed that democracy is the heritage of certain specific nations, who must always be vigilant to make sure that it functions well, and hesitant to assume that it will thrive elsewhere--I cannot say that I believe this to be the basis of a sound foreign policy.  In the past five years, we have adopted another set of assumptions highly relevant to the current crisis.

Those assumptions, in essence, seem to hold that any uprising against an authoritarian or dictatorial government must be a good thing, and that the United States should embrace revolutionary movements as soon as they have become large enough to fill the main square of their nation's capital city with demonstrators.  That is what the United States has done, Putin points out in his speech, in Tunisia, Egypt, and Syria--with very mixed results.   And that is also what both the United States and the EU did in Ukraine.

Ukraine has been, indeed, the test case for our assumption that democracy must follow Communism, and its recent history has not born it out.  We have assumed that anti-Russian elements within Ukraine would be both more democratic and less corrupt, but that did not turn out to be the case. The Orange revolution of 2004 did not have the results we had hoped, and a pro-Russian government returned to power.   The Ukrainian people, like so many others in the western world, have been hit hard by the Great Recession, and last year they turned against that government.  Both the EU and the United States seized upon this as an opportunity to return a friendly regime to power.  To this Putin decided he must respond.

In arranging the secession and rapid accession to Russia of Crimea, Putin, as his speech makes clear, has taken advantage both of ethnic realities and of history.  Russians constitute the bulk of the Crimean population, and Khrushchev's decision to transfer it to Ukraine 60 years ago took place within a completely different context.  As Putin pointed out in his speech, were a Ukrainian state that included Crimea to join NATO, as has been discussed recently, NATO forces would acquire the only major naval bases in the Black Sea.  The referendum just held almost certainly reflects the wishes of the bulk of the population.

In my opinion, our government must reconsider the wisdom of the sanctions it is imposing in response to these events, since we have no means of undoing them.  We do face a continuing crisis and we need strategies to face it, but we cannot make Crimea part of Ukraine again, and it will not serve the interests of the American, Russian or Ukrainian peoples to create an endless confrontation over what has taken place.  Diplomacy must be based upon reality.

The serious question we now face involves the future of the government of Ukraine. Putin denies its legitimacy, and clearly threatens in his speech to make that a pretext for intervention in Ukraine proper, and perhaps for the separation of the large Russian-speaking portions of eastern Ukraine and their addition to Russia as well.  Meanwhile, the new Ukrainian government--which, it must be acknowledged, did not come to power by constitutional means--is moving rapidly to strengthen its ties to the European union.  It may ask for NATO membership.  Putin, very simply, is determined not to allow the West to choose who shall govern Ukraine.  He clearly desires to turn more of the former USSR into a Russian sphere of influence based upon his Eurasian union.  He will use what cards he has to play to achieve these goals--but he will only use the military, in all probability, if there is no opposition, as there was not in Ukraine.

Elections are now scheduled in Ukraine.  I would suggest that we invest our political capital in ensuring that all interested parties, including the Russian government, will respect the results of those elections.  A conflict over the legitimacy of the government within the shrinking territory that divides the NATO alliance from Russia is a recipe for disaster, one that could even lead to war.  Meanwhile, we need Russian cooperation to deal with both Syria and the Iranian nuclear program.  We need, in short, to do the work diplomacy has always tried to do: to find a solution that we all can live with.

Here the Cold War, properly understood, provides some useful examples.  We must face the fact, as we did in 1946-7, that Putin does not share our values or our vision of the future. He feels Russia to be different from the West and he wants to increase its influence.  He is not, however, prepared to do so by war.  The early years of the Cold War featured a number of struggles within contested nations that were decided by political, rather than military means.  Hungary in 1947 and Czechoslovakia in 1948 fell to Communism because of internal political changes, not Soviet military power.  Finland and Austria remained outside the Soviet orbit for parallel reasons: their anti-Communist forces proved stronger than Moscow's satellites.  That also happened in the critical nations of France and Italy.  It will happen now, one way or another, in the Baltic States, Moldova, and Ukraine.

Our assumption that democracy would spread, as it were, automatically, has proven false.  That does not however mean that itcannot spread--only that its spread will require determination and character on the part of the nations of the former USSR, and also of the United States and the nations of the European Union.  They must assess each situation wisely and do what they can.  They must also realize that the Putin government remains very important to a host of broader problems in which we have an enormous interest.  Let us not not once again allow dogma to trap us into an endless confrontation with a nuclear power, punctuated by crises that put the whole world at risk.  Let us base our ends upon realities and trust to the long-term movement of history.

[sgd) George Kennan


(not really--DK)

(Please share this as widely as you can. Thanks.) "

ONE GOOD IDEA NOT POLITICALLY FEASIBLE HERE DIANE FRANCIS

"No two nations in the world are as integrated, economically and socially, as are the United States and Canada. We share geography, values and the largest unprotected border in the world. Regardless of this close friendship, our two countries are on a slow-motion collision course—with each other and with the rest of the world. While we wrestle with internal political gridlock and fiscal challenges and clash over border problems, the economies of the larger world change and flourish. Emerging economies sailed through the financial meltdown of 2008. The International Monetary Fund forecasts that by 2018, China’s economy will be bigger than that of the United States; when combined with India, Japan and the four Asian Tigers—South Korea, Taiwan, Singapore and Hong Kong—China’s economy will be bigger than that of the G8 (minus Japan).

Rather than continuing on this road to mutual decline, our two nations should chart a new course. Bestselling author Diane Francis proposes a simple and obvious solution: What if the United States and Canada merged into one country? The most audacious initiative since the Louisiana Purchase would solve the biggest problems each country expects to face: the U.S.’s nation- al security threats and declining living standards; and Canada’s difficulty controlling and developing its huge landmass, stemming from a lack of capital, workers, technology and military might. Merger of the Century builds both a strong political argument and a compel- ling business case, treating our two countries not only as sovereign entities but as merging companies.

We stand on the cusp of a new world order. Together, by marshaling resources and combining efforts, Canada and America have a greater chance of succeeding. As separate nations, the future is in much greater doubt indeed."

RE ZIGGED WHEN SHOULD HAVE ZAGGED AGAIN AND AGAIN RUSSIA CRIMEA

Once again, as so long in our chequered international ideological relations.

The United States chooses the wrong adversary, and selects the wrong kind of fight, leaving enormous other more compelling still half hidden adversities to continue to stew.

RE THE ENLIGHTENMENT REALLY ENDED AROUND 1800

Wikipedia has useful articles; see especially Counter-Enlightenment

FROM DK'S CURRENT POST

"....Politically, I would argue, the Anglo-American world began traveling down a certain very inspiring path in 1688 or so.  Three hundred years is a very long time in the history of any civilization. We still have,. of course, our democratic freedoms and institutions but they are a shadow of what they once were.  Our ability to act on behalf of the common good is much reduced.  Here, surely, is a threat to our civilization at least as serious as global warming, but one that we are only beginning to understand."

Looking at Grant's books on Roman history, he makes clear that the ancient middle class in the Empire, in the ancient cities primarily, was eliminated, in fits and shocks, in the later empire. 

This was accompanied by evasion of responsibility, and contribution as well to the costs of defense/offense, by the ruling class, which retired to what were in effect manors away from the cities, worked by slaves and an increasing number of serfs.

There really was always a tension, between cities and peripheral agricultural areas, but the agricultural element was central to the ancient economy.

Before 1776

Professor Allison had a useful lecture on The New England Rebellion of 1689.

EG VENICE SELF DETERMINATION AND SO CALLED INTERNATIONAL LAW

See other posts re self determination, etc.

BBC today:

'Luca Zaia, governor of Veneto, the Venice region, 

rejected suggestions that the Italian constitution would 

prevent secession.

International law, he told Il Quotidiano, allowed "the 

right to self-determination".'



I say it has been the coming home to roost of 

Sovereignty at Bay, globally.

Liberal global internationalism has shown itself, writ 

large, as global anarchy, because its institutions are the 

enemy of the autonomous

nation state, not just of the imperial state, or of the 

monarchies. It doesn't even like dictators, even when 

they keep the sluices of the market open.

Terms search eg Lilienthal

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RE NYT NEW PRIVATE BASIC SCIENCE RESEARCH THE USUAL GLOBALIST ENTREPRENEURIAL SUSPECTS

It has never been so good for Average Americans. Even prior generations of government tax payer funded basic research, not at first private, went preponderantly eventually into private corporate hands, regarding profitability, very quickly. In the end those older products themselves were eventually largely off shored, licensed away, stolen by industrial espionage, and or outsourced.

It will be good for the growing and also, nevertheless, shrinking, pool of global  middle class elites now long under construction.

Many foreign governmental and quasi private interests already invest heavily in, even control at times, much university basic research in the United States

"Never, in the history of human conflict........."

RE BOSTON CHINA TAKING OVER UP THERE

9/11, Boston Marathon, etc. Many of the 9/11 bombers embarked in Boston.

Just unfortunate coincidences, for a city so welcoming, open, and friendly, to foreign students from everywhere, really.

https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=2973239501462830480#editor/target=post;postID=3718240346515774516;onPublishedMenu=allposts;onClosedMenu=allposts;postNum=6;src=postname

All the current Bostonia articles and photos, should be seen.

I recommend Shuang Hao's frank observation, re American girls, on page 37, among many others, sprinkled throughout the issue.

GLOBALIZATION TURNS OUT TO HAVE BEEN THE

The Dumb money. Economists' money.

Money, that is, also,
money without a familiar voice,
money without a memory,
money without friends,
money without a community or a region, 
money without a country, 
money without forebears
and without descendants.
Globalists' money.

A small number of very wealthy individuals have a lot of it, 
and are its hermits. 

They are either so called liberals or conservatives, but all of them are globalists ahead of being from a particular country.

Some of them, see later post above, are also so called basic science philanthropists; for whom are they primarily philanthropic? 

Globalist, largely foreign, interests and constituencies, not American ones.

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2012/08/see-david-kaisers-current-post.html

dumb money.

See also The Big Short.

Pace his Princeton baccalaureate address a while back, noblesse oblige here is a genuinely foreign ideal.

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classic blast re monopoly capitalism and the way things have gone south

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2011/10/re-multinational-corporation-term-david.html

nyt today Justice Depatment and mortgage backed securities...,

Thurston had said: 
Who do you think they will bailout, you or me?

JEFFERSON DAVIS SELF DETERMINATION UKRAINE

Is Ukraine versus Crimea (and eastern Ukraine) a fitting analogy to the Civil War or not, regarding retrospective, speculative, questions of self determination?

Certainly the history of Ukraine, and of Crimea, as long a part of USSR, presents a quite different kind of scenario than the United States, re the Civil War. 

RE SELF DETERMINATION THE WILSONIAN CIVIL WAR CONCEPT LINCOLNIAN DETERMINATION

Self determination is a confused concept, to begin with, really.......

However, if one does a thot experiment, and refers to, and takes seriously, the concept of self determination (confused as it nevertheless is), back in time, to the run up to the Civil War, it is hard to put Lincoln on the right side of the troubled concept. 

The self determination of the slaves, so to speak, would have played no part in Lincoln's calculation under that concept, except to give them a reservation, or to transport them, perhaps. 

Freed slaves would have played no immediate part, in a Lincolnian, Whig, politically self determining, voting constituency. 

The emancipation proclamation was a war measure, like so many others throughout history under similar circumstances. 

One has only to think back to similar Spanish initiatives in the later 1500s, and especially the 1600s, re slaves in the lower colonies, offered freedom in Spanish Florida, and sometimes taking it. I would call that Spanish Determination.

I would not call that Wilsonian self determination, however; some might.

The South had much stronger self determination type arguments, such as the arguments of each side were, than the North. 

Political arguments based on self determination, leaving constitutional arguments aside, based on organized political will, were stronger, in retrospect, for secession than for continued union, regardless of the issue of slavery.

That the North ended up on the right side of history shows how often the right side of history is the side of the stronger.

Thus the Emancipation is better characterized as Lincolnian Determination than Self determination.

RE BOSTONIA COVER SAYS IT ALL REALLY WHAT HAS LONG BEEN WRONG WITH AMERICAN POLICIES

" CHINA: A GENERATION COMES TO LEARN, AND RETURNS TO BUILD "

A replay of Trading Places, 50 years later. 

You Only Live Twice.

Never, in the history of human conflict, has so much been given away, by so few, to so many, so quickly, for so little. 

RE GRANT'S HISTORY OF ROME

His discussion of the last 200 years is very instructive. 

A lot of myths dispelled.

One fact, about the course of the later empire, is the gradual elimination of the middle class, in favor either of the army, or of the very rich.

Thus, a good discussion of the economic origins of serfdom, as opposed to slavery, which of course still flourished.

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the menu

Lunch:

Beef, chicken, smoked kipper, black olive, caper bruschetta, marble rye toast.....

fino sherry.

RE RUSSIA BEING ON THE WRONG SIDE OF HISTORY

"Mr President, the Jews have been there, on the wrong side of history, since at least 312 AD.

If you want to kill them, the Jews, off, too, along with the Rooskies, for that reason, 

Hallelujah. 

Many Americans would applaud you."

FROM DK'S SITE A SAD COMMENTARY NEVERTHELESS IN SO MANY DIFFERENT WAYS

"When Franklin Roosevelt explicitly went on a crusade for the defense of democracy in 1940-1, he disposed of another enormous asset: his stature as by far the most effective and inspiring democratic leader in the world.  Alone among elected leaders, he had struggled against the depression with some success and rallied a great nation behind him.  When he announced the Four Freedoms in early 1941--freedom of speech, freedom of religion, freedom from want and freedom from fear--they struck his countrymen and the world as much more than a slogan.  The millions of peoples conquered and oppressed by Hitler and the countless millions still unconquered, a world leader told FDR's envoy Harry Hopkins in the last few days of July 1941,  “could receive the kind of encouragement and moral strength they needed to resist Hitler from only one source, and that was the United States. . .. .The world infl uence of the President and the Government of the United States was enormous.”  It was not Winston Churchill who spoke those words, but Josef Stalin, and he was right."

"...Meanwhile, Vladimir Putin will inevitably win some victories in his very traditional, utterly cynical struggle for power and influence...."

Stalin, and Putin, I say, each, 'utterly cynical'.......

I tend to side with the likes of Kennan, re Germany and Russia.....: Germany, itself, not quite so bad; Russia, itself, not nearly so good, then, or now.

Roosevelt; I doubt his 'huge stature' globally; 

additionally, and most unfortunately, Roosevelt and his administration, especially Morgenthau (understandably), were huge Germany haters, and Soviet lovers, as, e.g. Beschloss' book, The Conquerors, and other writings, including even a note in passing in those of Kennan, clearly show, and also imply.

Terms search, also, 
re another sad commentary, 

eg:  Wilson, zigged zagged

blast from the past someone liked it why not you too

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2013/09/see-dks-current-post-who-will-speak-for.html

RE UKRAINE

See DK's current post, and Kissinger's article, which references this squib on Ukrainian heritage:

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/612921/Ukraine/30063/Lithuanian-and-Polish-rule

GREAT PAST BLAST ECONOMIC CONSTIPATION

https://www.blogger.com/blogger.g?blogID=2973239501462830480#editor/target=post;postID=4750351857255035991

another past blast

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2010/11/re-lester-thurow-future-of-capitalism.html

some astute individual noted this old post

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2012/07/see-david-kaisers-current-post_28.html

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re DK's current post

Each assertion requires differing treatment. 

Maybe I'll never get around to that....:

“The peoples of Ukraine, the United States, Europe and Russia need peace and economic recovery, and they can only secure them upon a foundation of political liberalism....

Isn't it overly liberal international order anarchism, itself, which has tended to make peace, and domestic recovery, more urgent needs than ever for each, after all?

"In the last crisis of the 1930s and 1940s--the subject of my forthcoming book, due out exactly one month from today--the government of the United States stood unreservedly for international law, against international anarchy...."

International law, in the old sense, and liberal global anarchic trade and investment, are inconsistent, and the US stood, rather, in the 1930s and 1940s, for the latter, against the former, wherever possible, and thereafter, until now. 

"Again and again President Roosevelt and Secretary of State Hull called upon nations to respect one another's territorial integrity, and warned that anarchy, once unleashed, was bound to spread to the western hemisphere..."

The concept of self determination was not a respecter of existing borders; quite the contrary.

A liberal global international economic trade and investment order respects no national borders, as Bobbitt, even,  a so called liberal, has pointed out, in some detail, in The Shield Of Achilles.

"We live in a very different world today.  The United States and the western hemisphere are not threatened with invasion, but anarchy threatens much of the world, including Ukraine..."

Anarchy will be a precurser to incursions. Many soft power incursions, into these highly permeable liberal democratic influence peddling membranes have occurred, long ago, also.

"Then in 1999 Bill Clinton led NATO into war against Yugoslavia to stop the ethnic cleansing of Kosovar Albanians.  The Russian government and the UN Security Council did not bless that war, and thus began a chill in Russian-American relations... "

We attacked the Orthodox world, albeit its rogue Serbian branch, in defense of the Muslim world, on the very eve of the Arab Spring..... that was a prescription for liberal globalist anarchy in the Balkans, in itself. 

We are an ideological, and civilizational, loose cannon.

"Wicked dictators, we still believe, must go as soon as a few hundred thousand people demonstrate against them in the street, and democracy will naturally follow.”

Well put. Nuf said.  

yur mutr

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2013/07/re-bbc-muttering-rhubarb.html

RE BANK DEREGULATION THANKS TO DK'S REFERENCE TO IT

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-vampire-squid-strikes-again-the-mega-banks-most-devious-scam-yet-20140212?print=true

THE END OF THE EFFICACY OF THE CONCEPT OF DEMOCRACY

Read ' Merciless Global Markets '.........

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ENLIGHTENMENT NEWTONIAN EQUATION GAME OVER FOR WEST

WWI + WWII + Liberal Global Trade + Information age = 

GAME OVER

RE ENLIGHTENMENT

terms search: What matters this or that reason ?

That, at least, in the context of  the times, was an enlightened question, 

much better than what passed, and even still passes, for enlightenment thot.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-vampire-squid-strikes-again-the-mega-banks-most-devious-scam-yet-20140212?print=true

MICHAEL GRANT HISTORY OF ROME

Wonderful account.

His account, at the end, disunities etc., both pagan, Christian, and political economic, is great.

RE FUKUYAMA FRIEDMAN ETC GOOD OLD RANT generational analysis meets road

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2011/03/re-merciless-global-markets-and-war.html

classic blast from the past PRICE WARS

http://bozonbloggon.blogspot.com/2010/07/price-war.html

" WHAT MATTERS THIS OR THAT REASON ? "

THIS AN EXCELLENT TIME FOR PENT UP AGGRESSION IN ASIA

BOYLE'S SUMMARY COMMENT ON DK SITE RE UKRAINE

"Been paying a lot of attention to the newsstream about Ukraine recently and trying to figure out what is going on and who is to blame. This goes back hundreds of years. Ukraine("edge area") was called "little russia" before 20th century. serfs fled from their lords to live there free. Poles conquered western Ukraine and ruled it a couple hundred years leaving their language imprint to this day("ukrainish"). The people are a genetic mixed bag from south east, west,etc. so cultural, "family" identity is hard to come by. The East of the country is Russian and industrial with large cities. The west is ukrainian and mostly agrarian. Those protesting are from the west. They have been bussed in and paid for their work(€100s for collecting stones, €14000 for throwing molotov cocktails,etc.) the canteen food for the maidaners was full of drugs to pump up the mob(lots of reports of people dying from this or landing in drug clinic afterwards). The whole thing was financed by somebody over many months. You saw on TV lots of European flags. They cost lots of money at a store and these people earn a few hundred per year. Also lots of tents, military garb, etc. 
The right wing "right sector" has their own fighting force of 12000 men and other right wing splinter groups bring it to 35000 together. In the war their ancestors supported Germany against "jewish communism" and killed (ethnically cleansed) their areas of Poles, Jews, etc. 

They now wanted to take away autonomy from Crimea and ban Russian language as second language-I remember Quebec and my Englsih speaking relatives there-(laws in Ukraine now put on hold). The parliament was taken by armed men and the members forced(families back home threatened) to vote against Janukovich. 1/4 of Parliament got out of town (Eastern Russians presumably). 

In Charkow a couple of thousand Western Ukrainians yesterday or so tried to take the city hall and were beaten up and thrown out by locals. The people (100,000 ) gathered on the central square chanting "Rossiya". The city has 1.5 million people. They don't want rassist, nationalist provocateurs from an ethnically, linguistically different, high unemployment, poor agrarian area screwing up their stable, successful area. To say that "Putin's imperial politics" is behind all this" is just such an oversimplification. The Generational therory states that everything comes from below. Without the mob, the identity of the populace nothing can happen. Napoleon's or Hitler's masses flowing across the continent destroying everything in their path. This is the problem now in the Ukraine.

The West, Ukrainian oligarchs, etc. are financing a coup to expand their power westwards. Being part of the EU is bad for the Ukrainian agrarian sector and industry, as it is noncompetitve with European regulation so Janukovich demanded(very rationally) concessions of massive payments to sign on to it. Similar is necesssary in Nafta for Mexico for example or for India recently to maintian food subsidies to prevent starvation. Due to the historical animosity (east-west conflict, commmunism vs. capitalism) this is still seen simplistically. The official govt. sponsored nightly news here in Germany says always "regime in Russia" and "Kreml boss Putin"-not "President Putin" and "govt. in Russia". This is part of an obvious anti-Russian propaganda compaign to prepare at any time to justify any negative reaction towards Russian interests. 

For example the focus on homosexuality. The parliament in Russia decided on such a law. The Croatian people had such a law by referendum recently. Imposition of values from another culture which have only recently been accepted and under great controversy is hardly a sign of tolerance and historical understanding. This is like a dictatorship of Politically Correct thinking. My son is young (14) and very atheistic from his reading (Sci-fi,etc.)so that my talk of spirituality and religion(yoga, Buddhism)_ is for him a terrible evil, something from the middle ages which only destroyed the world for hundreds of years. In Russia the word for homosexual is the same as that for pederast, they are set as equivalents. So you see the mindset. If my wife were not Russian and had not constantly informed me as she knows the situation from internet (Ukraine, Russia) I would probably agree with your thesis, being from the West and living in the West.

Whether Fukuyama was right is a good question. Does the little guy need democracy or can it be destabilizing and manipulated by local monied interests together with powerful foreigners as in Ukraine(violent coup diguised as a "people's revolution"). US democracy is arguably just a lobbied crony capitalist regime. Nothing much changed due to the crisis except to make the banks richer. Accepting left wing homosexual laws while maintaining extreme banking power is similar to letting slaves free so that they could go over to share cropping and jim crow laws. Nothng changed after 2008 or after Lincoln effectively. For example if the US govt. had banned homosexuality, cleaned up the banking sector-100 year prison sentences- nationalizations-people's banks-credit unions formed everywhere, etc., derivatives banned- and got the economy cleaned up and on its feet and got its troops out of the rest of the world, (demilitarized) then I would, even if I were gay say "at least they got it 90% right". Freedom of speach without effect is useless. Democracy is useless if it gives you no real say in events as in the current system of plutocracy.

Why did somebody start killing 80 people on the day before the end of the olympics in Maidan? Who was responsible? the govt. or someone else? Was it provoked? At any rate this is the justification to go over to a coup. The drugged demonstrators just kept expanding their occupation and violence until the troops lost ten men(demonstrators 14) and then the troops lost all patience and fought back next day. 

The rich in Ukraine have lots of money and want more. The West wants to expand markets at all costs and Nato everywhere. Interests of other people's is always discounted, similar to China's current policy towards their South China Sea neighbours. This is typical of the time before a crisis war in generational theory."

RE FRENCH AUDIENCE TODAY CONFEDERACIES OF DUNCES

The US siding with the French, 

in, e.g., Napoleonic Wars, War of 1812...

Nuf said. 

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